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The Official ArrowPodcast of the Gonna Geek Network

Episode:“Last Refuge” [Season 1 Episode 12]

AirDate:April 21st, 2016

Transcript: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=557&t=26768

IMDB:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4952750/?ref_=tt_ep_nx

Director:Rachel Talalay
Late in the season the showrunners are breaking out a seasoneddirector, who has over 55 directing credits to her name, includingan upcoming episode of BBC’s Sherlock with Benedict Cumberbatch in2017

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003080/?ref_=tt_ov_dr

LoT: 1x Director
Other Director Credits: 1x Flash | 4x Doctor Who |1x Reign | 1x Supernatural | 2x Haven | 4x Ally McBeal | 1x BostonLegal … the movie Tank Girl and many others!

Writers:Chris Fedak
Chris is credited as Executive Producer for 15 episodes ofLegends of Tomorrow, but this only his second writing credit,although is he credited with a couple “Story By” and “Teleplay By”later in the season.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0973233/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6

Executive Producer credits: 15xEP LoT | 21x EP Forever | 27x EP Chuck |
Other Chuck credits: 91x “Created by” | 16x“Written by”

Matthew Maala
Well, they don’t get any greener than this folks - this isMatthew’s first and only writing credit so far … and, uh, he has acouple of other credits...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5279759/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr6

Legends of Tomorrow: 1x writer
Other credits: 1x Jessica Jones (Writer’sAssistant) | 5x The Mob Doctor (Assistant to Rob Wright -showrunner)

Weekly Ratings

Rating: Episode 11 - 1.78 (April 21st,2016)

  • Down two-tenths of a point…
  • Arrow: On break until April 27th the followingweek
  • The Flash: April 19th - “Versus Zoom”(Ep.2.18) - 03 (Hunter Zolomon’s Back Story)
  • Supergirl: April 18th - “Better Angels”(Ep.1.20) - 11 (Season Finale)


Links for Other Shows
Arrow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arrow_episodes#Season_4_.282015.E2.80.9316.29
Flash: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Flash_episodes#Season_2_.282015.E2.80.9316.29
Supergirl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_(TV_series)#Episodes

Episode # Episode Title Episode Air Date Rating
1 Pilot, Part 1 21-Jan-16 3.21
2 Pilot, Part 2 28-Jan-16 2.89
3 Blood Ties 4-Feb-16 2.32
4 White Knights 7-Feb-16 2.39
5 Fail-Safe 18-Feb-16 2.25
6 Star City 2046 25-Feb-16 2.47
7 Marooned 3-Mar-16 2.28
8 Night of the Hawk 10-Mar-16 2.01
9 Left Behind 31-Mar-16 1.97
10 Progeny 7-Apr-16 1.88
11 The Magnificent Eight 12-Apr-16 1.98
12 Last Refuge 21-Apr-16 1.78
13 Leviathan 28-Apr-16 1.86
14 River of Time 5-May-16 1.63
15 Destiny 12-May-16 1.89
16 Legendary 19-May-16 1.85

  • What was the overall theme for this episode /What was the link to the ep. name
    • “Last Refuge”
      • The home of Rip’s adoptive mother
    • Fight scenes & Stunts: Share your thoughts
      • Kendra and Sara spar
      • Pilgrim attacks police station (Another Terminator reference?)
        • ..no paperwork on this attack?
        • Sara one-on-one with Pilgrim; +Mick steps in w/his gun
      • Ends with usual team fight; Pilgrim surprised by young Ripw/knife
        • Fun cgi with Pilgrim hit from all sides
      • Time Travel: Share your thoughts
        • Rip - kidnap younger selves to save them from Pilgrim,but...
        • If younger selves are left out of timeline too long, peoplewill forget about them, and…
        • They really shouldn’t interact with younger selves because ofparadox
          • Rip says this about Stein wanting to hold his baby-self, butStein talked to Stein in the 1970s
          • What are the rules?
        • Amnesia pills are optional
        • Palmer’s injuries
      • Rip Hunter
        • His plan actually works!
        • His real name is Michael; he was taken by Time Masters when hewas an orphan on the streets trying to survive
        • Offers self to Pilgrim. Without him, there is no team. Steintries to remind all about how dangerous it is to remove a TimeMaster from the timeline, something Rip told him at the start ofshow
        • Rate The Captain on a scale of 1 (Captain Crunch) to 10(Captain Picard)
      • Vandal Savage
        • Not in episode!
        • Mentioned at end because they remember their mission
      • The Atom - Ray Palmer
        • “Come with me if you want to live” - has always wanted to saythat
        • Existential crisis - “Could I be dead and not know it?”
        • 2007 self gets beat up, bruises show up on present Ray
        • Asks Kendra to marry him. Then doubt drama. Then a “Yes.”
      • White Canary - Sara Lance
        • Fights Pilgrim
        • Spares with Kendra - tries to get Kendra to tell Ray thetruth
        • 2007 self - take daughter to work day with Dad
        • Younger self is not a ninja
      • Hawkgirl - Kendra Saunders
        • Because of reincarnation powers, can’t be killed by Pilgrim (soPilgrim can’t go back to Ancient Egypt before meteor hit? Ofcourse, if she did, then there would be no show)
        • Relationship drama with Ray (snore), but agrees to marryRay
      • Captain Cold - Leonard Snart
        • 1972, Central City - Baby Snart is adorable, but a handful
        • Keeps needling Rip because they don’t know about Rip’spast
      • Heatwave - Mick Rory
        • Younger self, 1990, Central City, is Pilgrim’s firsttarget
        • Played with fire and killed family; didn’t wake them, raninstead
        • Younger self tells Mick he sounds like their father
        • Present Mick tells younger Mick that he was angry at him forsomething not in his control and tells him to be better thanpresent Mick
      • Firestorm - Professor Martin Stein
        • 1950 - born in back of car
        • Surprised his father just gave him to strangers
        • Ignores the rules and gives Jefferson a chance to meet hisfather
      • Firestorm - Jefferson Jackson
        • Born in 1993 in Central City
        • Father died serving country; Jax never met father
        • Has a conversation in hospital; father says he is proud of hisson
        • Jax doesn’t stop father
        • Pilgrim kidnaps father; after saved, Jax talks to father; triesto warn father
        • Did he change things? Rip does say that maybe timewants Jax to be with father
      • Waverider/Gideon
        • Helps track Pilgrim
        • When loses track of Pilgrim, Rip forms abduction plan
      • The Pilgrim
        • Cool Matrix-like powers
        • Has authority to kill anyone in order to save the timeline
        • Kidnaps team’s loved ones in order to get team to givethemselves up
        • Has only one shot to kill them
      • Time Masters Council
        • Not the sort of folks you want to hang around the watercoolerwith
      • Mary Xavier (Rip Hunter’s “Mother”)
      • Captain Lance
        • In his golden age

EPISODE DC EASTER EGGS:

Season 1 Episode 12 “Last Refuge” (Date: 22 Apr2016)
Article:http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/04/22/dcs-legends-of-tomorrow-things-you-might-have-missed-in-last-ref/1

  1. Obvious Ones: Cities mentioned - StarCity, Central City, Hub City, Ivy Town; Appearances by QuentinLance (Sara’s father), Lisa Snart/Golden Glider (Leonard’s sister,and Anna Loring (Ray’s fiancee. On Arrow, Anna was an attorney whoworked for Oliver Queen’s mother, but in the comics, Jean Loringwas Ray Palmer’s wife prior to her killing another superhero’swife)
  2. Disappearing from History: The visualeffects used to represent the man executed by the Time Masters atthe start of the episode are the same ones used in last year’sfinale for The Flash, when Eddie Thawne committed suicide in orderto kill his descendant, Eobard/The Reverse Flash
  3. “Come with me if you want to live”: Lineis from The Terminator. Booster Gold once made a similar remarkduring his time-travel adventures written by Legends executiveproducers Geoff Johns
  4. Marty McFly: Younger Rory is wearing a redvest/jean jacket outfit reminiscent of Marty McFly’s Back to theFuture outfit.
  5. Arrow bits: “If he ever lost me…” youngSara says of her father. Date of Ray’s attack is December 19, 2014,and Arrow was on hiatus at that time
  6. Fruit Brute: Fruit Brute is one of the“monster” cereals like Count Chocula and Frankenberry. The factthat Rip has a collection of vintage cereals makes total sensebecause in the Booster Gold comics, we were told once that Rip hasa fridge full of vintage Coca Cola
  7. Ma Hunkel: Ma Hunkel’s Red Tornado is seenin Rip’s time lab
  8. Rip Hunter’s Mother: In the comics, wenever learn the name of Rip’s mother, so as to not lock his father,Booster Gold, into a future relationship
  9. Michael?: Rip Hunter’s father in thecomics is Michael Jon Carter, aka Booster Gold, so the name“Michael” might be a nod to his comic book parentage.

ARROW NEWS:

  1. Where Team Arrow Stands when Season 5 Begins (Date:16 Aug 2016)
    IGN: Executive producers Wendy Mericle & Marc Guggenheim previewwhat’s ahead:
    *Season 5 deals with legacy, it deals with the past. The challengefor Oliver this year is how do you evolve and move forward when thepast keeps grabbing at you, trying to pull you back. Oliver:building team with Felicity, Curtis (who is going to become Mr.Terrific), and newcomers Evelyn Sharp and Wild Dog while trying tobe mayor. Tries to optimistic, but forces will try to pull him intothe darkness. Relationship with Felicity should be closer to whatit was during season 1.*Diggle: He is to have his own story in the army trying to get hismorality back.
    * Thea: Going to be Oliver’s chief of staff and is good atit.
    Link:http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/16/where-team-arrow-stands-when-season-5-begins
  2. Stephen Amell was kicked in the face during and Arrow fightscene, see the picture (Date: 15 Aug 2016)
    * CinemaBlend: Stephen Amell posted a photo on his Facebook pageshowing the results of him taking a foot to the face duringshooting a fight scene. Stephen is fine, just has a tissue up hisnose and some swelling.
    Link:https://www.cinemablend.com/television/1545720/stephen-amell-was-kicked-in-the-face-during-an-arrow-fight-scene-see-the-picture
    1. Was Hayley Atwell around? ~SP
  3. Producers confirm flashbacks continue after S05, but willchange (Date: 11 Aug 2016)
    * after producers told the TCAs that Arrow would ditch theflashbacks after S05, showrunner Marc Guggenheim told IGN that itisn't quite that simple.
    * “in Season 6, what we'll end up doing is we'll do some episodeswithout any sort of flashbacks. We've also established over thefour seasons that we can do flashback stories that don't involvethe island narrative”
    * "We still want to make that part of our storytelling, because wedo like them. We like when those non-island flashbacks sort ofilluminate what's going on in the present day,"
    Link:http://comicbook.com/2016/08/11/silly-rabbit-of-course-the-arrow-flashbacks-will-never-end/
    1. Can it really be Arrow with a Flashback/Flashforward? ~SP
    2. Daredevil and Game Of Thrones series name drop by showrunnerWendy Mericle ~SP
  4. Arrow meets Legends meets Flash meets Supergirl: A CrossoverSupercut! (Date: 16 Aug 2016)
    *TV Line presents a montage of meet-ups between the characters ofArrow, The Flash, Legends, and Supergirl. Also news of the releaseof the latest seasons on DVD/Blu-ray: Supergirl season 1 is outnow, Legends season 1 releases Aug. 23, Arrow season 4 releases Aug30, and The Flash season 2 releases Sept. 6
    Link: http://tvline.com/2016/08/16/arrow-flash-supergirl-legends-crossover-supercut-video/
  5. Could we get more Tommy with Flashpoint?? (Date: 14 Aug2016)
    * Colin Donnell did an interview with TV Line
    * “I can’t tell you how many people I’ve talked to about thepossibility and how it could possibly happen. It’s not out of therealm of possibility.”
    * Neil comment: I hate to bring this up… but does anybody stillcare? That was Season 1?! I mean I like the guy but I think we’vemoved on?
    Link:http://comicbook.com/2016/08/14/tommy-merlyn-could-possibly-return-on-arrow-due-to-flashpoint/
    1. If John Barrowman ever has to leave the series I could see thembrining Tommy back. But I doubt that will happen through season 7(Stephen Amell is on contract through season 7, right? ~SP
  6. No Immediate Plans for Roy to Return (Date: 17 Aug2016)
    * This follows up on a news article from prior weeks where ColtonHaynes was spotted on the set of Arrow, which kick startedspeculation that he was returning to the series
    * In a TVLine interview Wendy Mericle stated that Colton Haynes wasjust visiting the set and was not scheduled to appear
    * Colton is busy filming Scream Queens

    Link:http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/sorry-arrow-fans-colton-haynes-is-not-returning-yet
    1. Colton, you are always welcome back to Arrow from the fans onStarling Tribune. ~SP

GENERAL DC TV NEWS

  1. Legends: Legends of Tomorrow Season 2: ArthurDarvill and Maisie Richardson-Sellers Interview (Date: 16Aug 2016)
    * (Showbiz Junkies). Arthur Darvill (Rip Hunter) and MaisieRichardson-Sellers (Vixen/Amaya Jiwe) discuss season two. Bothpromise a little conflict in the team because everyone has asimilar goal, but they have their own way of doing things and thatthere will be good fights.
    Link:http://www.showbizjunkies.com/tv/interviews/legends-of-tomorrow-arthur-darvill-maisie-richardson-sellers-interview/
    1. I’d love to see Arthur Darvil rate Captain Rip Hunter eachepisode on a scale of 1-10. ~SP
  2. Opinion: How the CW’s DC universe became oneof TV’s most inclusive (Date:16 Aug 2016)
    *Not really news, but is a good look at how Greg Berlanti’s DCcomic book shows for the CW are building a universe populated withcharacters who have been casts as African-American even though thecharacters are white in the comics (Iris West, Jimmy Olson) and whoare LGBT (Sara, Nyssa, Curtis)
    Link:http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/supergirl/43010/how-the-cws-dc-universe-became-one-of-tvs-most-inclusive
  3. Legends: Legends of Tomorrow Season 2: EPSubtly confirms Matt Ryan’s John Constantine cameo (Date: 15Aug 2016)
    * Movie News Guide: Legends executive producer Phil Klemmer subtlyconfirmed Matt Ryan’s appearance in a recent interview, tellingZap2it, “If this show goes as many seasons as I hope it does, itwould be a crime for him not to appear in our universe.” A photo onMarc Guggenheim’s twitter shows a table read with an actor’s faceblurred out.
    Link: http://www.movienewsguide.com/legends-tomorrow-john-constantine/263618
    ...BUT does this article from a couple days before contradict itwith a quote from Greg Berlanti?
    LINK:http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/the-cw-has-no-plans-for-constantine-at-this-time
    * The takeaway is that I guess they’re doing a pretty good jobkeeping us guessing at this point
  4. Legends: Guggenheim tweets pic of Samurai ATOMsuit (Date: 18 Aug 2016)
    * Ray is riding a horse in the ATOM suit with a samurai helmet
    * Guggenheim’s tweet was “Legends of Tomorrow: This show isinsane...”
    Link:http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/legends-of-tomorrows-atom-dons-new-samurai-style-armor-in-new-photo
  5. Legends: Lance Henricksen cast as Obsidian(Date: 11 Aug 2016)
    * Late news out of the TCAs that week that didn’t make it into ournews rundown
    * Henriksen joins the ranks of the Justice Society of America,which already includes Patrick J. Adams as Hourman, MaisieRichardson-Sellers as Vixen, Matthew MacCaull as Commander Steeland Sarah Grey as Star Girl.
    * The son of the Golden Age Green Lantern, Obsidian was introducedin 1983's "All-Star Squadron" #25, and joined a modern incarnationof the Justice Society in 2007. He can merge with his own shadow,allowing him to fly and pass through solid objects, and possess theshadows of others.
    * Henriksen's lengthy list of film and television credits is dottedwith memorable sci-fi and horror roles, from "The Terminator" andthe "Alien" franchise to "Near Dark" and "Millennium."
    Link:http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/legends-of-tomorrow-casts-lance-henriksen-as-obsidian
  6. Flash: Grant Gustin spills the beans on alittle Easter Egg (Date: 18 Aug 2016)
    * Grant Gustin admits that the cast and crew have snuck a rubberduckie into every scene in the police station… because whynot.
    Link:http://comicbook.com/2016/08/18/grant-gustin-reveals-the-flash-easter-egg-that-no-one-has-notice/
  7. Flash: Barry’s heading to Gorilla Island!(Date: 11 Aug 2016)
    * Two part episode with the return of Grodd Confirmed (late newsout of the TCAs last week)
    * At the end of his S02 episode, Grodd was transported to Earth-2and abandoned in Gorilla City, a setting from the DC ComicsUniverse.
    * Unless Grodd somehow finds his way back to Earth-1 and finds itsversion of Gorilla City, it seems likely that the two-episodemini-arc will take place on Earth-2
    Link:http://comicbook.com/2016/08/11/gorilla-grodd-returns-in-the-flash-season-3/
  8. Flash: Producer explains how S03 DarkSpeedster is ‘not at all’ like the dark speedster villains from S01and S02 who wanted to steal Barry’s Speed (Date: 17 Aug2016)
    * Todd Helbing (Executive Producer) gave an interview to IGN
    * “If you have another speedster, like Zoom, or Reverse Flash, youneed somebody on an equal level to provide that threat”
    * “Savitar is more of a psychological villain in a weird way”
    * “Everything about this guy is different. I can't go into superdetail, but he's not like Zoom or Reverse Flash”
    Link:http://comicbook.com/2016/08/18/the-flash-executive-producer-explains-how-savitar-is-different-f/
  9. Supergirl: Kevin Smith says something and themedia covers it (hehe) (Date: 18 Aug 2016)
    * Actually, there’s a cool linkage to the old superman scripttitles “Superman Lives” he wrote
    * Kevin Smith announced that the title of the Supergirl episodehe’s directing is “Supergirl Lives” thanks to Andy Kriesberg
    * Actually a pretty cool quote from Kevin Smith in thearticle...
    Link:http://www.comicbookmovie.com/supergirl/kevin-smith-ecstatically-reveals-the-title-of-the-supergirl-season-2-a144591
  10. Supergirl: Discussion on whether the Legion ofSuperheroes will join the DC TV Universe (Date: 13 Aug2016)
    * We’ve seen Legion flight rings in both Flash (Speed ForceFlashbacks) and Supergirl (in the Fortress of Solitude)
    * Mon-El is linked with the Legion of Superheroes, so there’s anatural linkage
    * Other Supergirl characters have ties
    * long discussion article
    Link:http://comicbook.com/2016/08/14/is-the-legion-of-super-heroes-coming-to-the-cws-dc-tv-universe-/
  11. Supergirl: Project Cadmus set to be S02 “BigBad” (Date: 12 Aug 2016)
    * Exec Producer Andrew Kreisberg revealed that Project Cadmus isthe "big bad" of at least the first half of the season
    * "It's dedicated to eradicating alien life on Earth. They'refanatics. They're true believers,"
    * in the comics and Young Justice, Project Cadmus has taken aninterest in Kryptonians before as the creators of Superboy, apartial-clone of Superman
    Link:http://comicbook.com/2016/08/12/supergirl-season-2-new-details-on-project-cadmus-revealed/

GREEN ARROW COMICS & TOY NEWS

  1. New Form Factor from #Funko: Pint Size Heroes! (Date: 16Aug 2016)
    Funko is introducing a new line of collectible vinyl figures - PintSize Heroes! Taken favorite parts of Pop! and Dorbz and made theminto an even smaller package - and all at a new low price! Thefirst series will focus on the Batman universe - Batman, Robin,Catwoman, etc. Figures are 1.5” tall. Check out GameStop and HotTopic for special exclusive characters. Start your collection inSeptember!
    Link:http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/new-form-factor-from-funko-pint-size-heroes-dccomics-marvel-and-more/
  2. DC Comic’s Rebirth dominates July’s top 20 sales positions(Date: 15 Aug 2016)
    CBR: Scroll down and look at the charts - DC is the top publisher,and 18 of the top 20 comics are from DC. The other two are fromMarvel - Civil War II
    Link:http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-rebirth-dominates-julys-top-20-sales-positions
  3. Green Arrow (Rebirth) Issue #5 dropped this week (Date: 18Aug 2016)
    * “The Death and Life of Oliver Queen” part five! It’s Green Arrowand Black Canary versus Shado and the Ninth Circle in the belly ofthe Inferno.
    * Ends the first arc
    * Written by Benjamin Percy
    * Pencils, Inks, Colours and Cover by Juan E. Ferreyra
    Link:https://www.comixology.com/Green-Arrow-2016-5/digital-comic/384559?ref=c2l0ZS9pbmRleC9jb20uY29taXhvbG9neS5kY2NvbWljczMvZGVza3RvcC9zbGlkZXJMaXN0LzEyNjk4
  4. Toy News International Does a review of the new Arrow S03figures (Date: 17 Aug 2016)
    *
    7" Season 3 Arrow & Laurel Lance Black Canary Figuresfrom DC Collectibles.
    * Basic figures, but if you’re a hardcore fan…
    Link: http://toynewsi.com/news.php?itemid=27007
    Video: https://youtu.be/_2T9udgjdo4

NEXT EPISODE

Promo for Next Week: Legends Of Tomorrow - “Leviathan”

Article:http://www.comicbookmovie.com/dc_tv/legends_of_tomorrow/legends-of-tomorrow-season-1-episode-13-promo-leviathan-a139828

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFHhMFQskxw

Episode:“Leviathan” [Season 1 Episode 13]

Air Date: Thursday, April 28th,2016

Summary: Riptakes the team to London in the year 2166, three days before hisfamily is killed. He believes this to be their final opportunity totake out Savage who is, unfortunately, at the height of his power.However, the team discovers two key elements to defeating him -Savage's daughter and the means to kill Savage once and forall.

Director:Gregory Smith http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0808376/?ref_=ttfc_fc_dr1

Writers: Sarah Nicole Jones and Ray Utarnachitt

IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4952746/?ref_=tt_ep_nx

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